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October 31st, 2009

Happy Halloween... and Samhain... and Féile Moingfhinne! @ 03:30 pm

a guy i know sent me this today:


Happy Celtic Memorial Day, today we honor those who died this year,
whose spirits walk the earth one last night with Hecate before the new
year begins, before their spirits go to Somerset to be protected by the
dark father; Cennunos, till Selene, goddess of change bears them into
the arms of the mother goddess; Diana

and you might get some candy too, although there are other treats and
Celts found sex an appropriate manner of honoring goddess(es) and/or
god(s)..


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i replied:

yeah, but the celts didn't use this arbitrary calendar
i don't really know if they used astrology
but they used season
and the day of Samhain is the mid-day between the equinox and solstice
which would be 15º Scorpio
which would actually be NEXT sunday
so if you're doing a ritual for yourself
know that the magic is THEN

the magic is always
the magic is whenever
and even though it can be bought from hallmark and wallmart
it's better when it comes from the imagination and the heart.


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he replied:

The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. The term "Samhain" derives from the name of the month in the ancient Celtic calender, in particular the first three nights of this month (November), with the festival marking the end of the summer season and the end of the harvest.

Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth.
Samhain was also called the Féile Moingfhinne - ie "Festival of Mongfind". According to Cormac's Glossary, Mongfind (mod.Irish spelling Mongfhionn) was a goddess the pagan Irish worshipped on Samhain.
Old Irish samain "summer's end", from sam "summer" and fuin "end") Oct 31st-Nov 1st, the Celtic festival of the start of winter and of the new year. Samhain and an t-Samhain are also the Irish and Scottish Gaelic names of Novemeber respectively.
Although, in the 1600s, 10 days were added so the day following September 3 became September 14.
Therefore calendars might be considered to be 10 off. Does this make November 1 actually 10 days earlier or 10 days later?

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i replied:

yeah,
their months were based on moons
so it varied every year anyway...

the oghams were half-months
though I don't this this calendar in question was oghamic...

and..
the celts were from far more areas than those listed...

we are as we are now

hurrah to all of it!



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From:bitterlawngnome
Date:November 1st, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
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because dead people care.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 2nd, 2009 02:58 am (UTC)
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"because dead people care".

I got to die(or almost) in 1984...nine times....rapidly.

Dead people do care.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 2nd, 2009 03:00 am (UTC)

I thought I was logged in above

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Crash
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From:bitterlawngnome
Date:November 2nd, 2009 06:22 am (UTC)
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so you're telling me it matters that it be *this* day instead of *that* day, nine or ten or thirteen days apart?
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From:dominicvine
Date:November 2nd, 2009 06:44 am (UTC)
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that wasn't me
but i am saying that
if anything means anything
the whole context of belief is what gives the meaning power, right?
i've always had a thorn in my side about this Arbitrary Calendar that has isn't based on nature but Egos of a very old Empire.
the whole point of the "calendar" the celts were using was that i was based on the flows of nature, not an abstract idea of time.
the idea of Samhain is "the veil is thinnest"
like wanting to do a ritual "when the moon is new"
these things might not mean anything to you
but to the people that are doing the ritual, knowing the proper moment to do it is important because being fixed in the context, especially a more complete idea of the context, gives each action more power.
i'm not just being pedantic here, am i?
you get it, right?
i thought you were just being Becky and snarly just coz
but you have to know what i'm talking about, right?

Anyway, YES. I am saying that if the idea of the Magic of the Holiday matters to you, then Yes, ten days matters.

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From:bitterlawngnome
Date:November 2nd, 2009 07:24 am (UTC)
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I agree with your premises, but the conclusion I would reach from them is that he ought to do whatever he does on the day that makes the most sense to him, regardless whether it's an astronomically correct day or just an arbitrary calendar day. I don't believe that the dead are sitting around on the other side waiting for their living relatives on a particular day. Although I fully expect to get "you never call you never write" channelled messages from my mother.

Yes I was being becky. I fucking hate people telling me I'm remembering my dead on the wrong day. Which they do, every single fucking year.
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From:dominicvine
Date:November 2nd, 2009 07:52 am (UTC)
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oh, i entirely missed what your grimace was.
yeah, in that case, you should be remembering your dead Today. November 2nd.
that is, if they aren't saints, if they didn't make it into the cannon. if they're just in the masses in the underworld waiting for the Jesus.
but if they aren't in that group
you should remember them May 5th. though i don't understand Why.
i also don't understand Why Samhain incorporates this, but apparently it's about the seperation between this side and the other side being the thinnest. it's not about ghots and grandma. there could be some advantages when knowing you could punch through to the other side easier... if you're capturing dæmons or trying to be caught by one, say...
however, i know a few fellows who are ALWAYS falling through that curtain anyway. again, i think it all depends on the person.
but you're definately doing it wrong, whatever it is. then. arbitrarily. importantly. whatever.
dead? i always forget... they remind me when it's important.
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From:leafshimmer
Date:November 2nd, 2009 04:44 pm (UTC)
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Well, just to stir the cauldron farther (as the old Witch cackles insanely)--on the Coligny Calendar, Samonios is the Name of a MONTH, not a Day (or a grouping of three days which was the typical length of a feast in Ye Days of Olde). I am presiding over or attending rituals each weekend over the next three weeks, starting last Sat. And I led a ritual on the Sunday of Columbus Day weekend that had a distinctly Samhain flavouring to it...

So, I would say--celebrate when your Heart calls you to do so! Regardless of what the calendar, or tut-tutting mortals may aver...

hugs, Shimmer

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